Indoor play and FPS

I see there is an indoor facility in Richmond but there velocity limit is 330 which in theory is illegal in Canada but is realistic for CBQ. Is there any groups in Canada that actually give a voice for the Airsoft community it talk to CBSA about their classification and that 366 may not be a realistically safe FPS for airsoft gun?

[jsae]

I'll need Savage Haggis, Lupo, Claymore, and others who have chosen to import guns, to pipe in on this.

Here's a start:

1. CBSA needs the airsoft to be a "firearm" for legal importation
2. CBSA considers a firearm something that can cause damage to people
3. 0.20g projectiles cause damage to people at 366 ft/s (1.54 J energy level)
4. Thus, airsoft must shoot at least 366 ft/s with 0.20 g BBs

CBSA definitions are independent and separate from Firearms Act definitions.

366 is what it needs to shoot to legally import it. Once it's in, you can do what ever you want to it. Some guys play with 500+ fps rifles which is legally a firearm in Canada. A sub 336 fps gun is not illegal to have and use in Canada, just technically illegal to import.

[jsae]

Simultaneous posts!

Also, refer to our engagement distance and gun class chart:
(We strongly recommend 350 class guns in close quarters. )

[Claymore]

I'll need Savage Haggis, Lupo, Claymore, and others who have chosen to import guns, to pipe in on this.

Here's a start:

1. CBSA needs the airsoft to be a "firearm" for legal importation
2. CBSA considers a firearm something that can cause damage to people
3. 0.20g projectiles cause damage to people at 366 ft/s (1.54 J energy level)
4. Thus, airsoft must shoot at least 366 ft/s with 0.20 g BBs

CBSA definitions are independent and separate from Firearms Act definitions.

In a nut shell the above info is the basic simple way to explain the laws for importation.

As far as the CBSA's definition of the firearms Act it is NOT independent of the Firearms Act and because of that fact this is why we are aloud to come out from an underground Sport/Activity and have what we have today basically (full metal guns Some nice pistols).

But there are some factors out there that are not grey: guns (mostly pistols) that can't be up-graded to meet the standard mark, are HERE for sale in Canada? There are some importer that are going to screw this up for use and or with the ease of anyone just about getting a gun and not treating it like a real gun, will cause the Airsoft community some set-backs pretty soon it's just a matter of time.

And Meatshower... Half Right. Half truths and not complete information causes men to go to WAR

Im all geared up, BRING IT CBSA!!! LETS DUKE THIS OUT!!!!

A sub 336 fps gun is not illegal to have and use in Canada, just technically illegal to import.

Now correct me if I am wrong but I believe the above assumption is incorrect. My understanding is that Canada's Criminal Code and the Firearms Act consider a sub 366 fps airsoft gun that closely resembles a real firearm to be a Replica Firearm which makes it a prohibited device in Canada (Prohibited = Illegal). Legally you are only allowed to possess a replica firearm if you owned it before December 1, 1998.

Individuals may keep any replicas that they owned on December 1, 1998. A licence is not required to possess a replica firearm, and it does not have to be registered. However, individuals cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm. If a replica firearm is taken out of Canada, it cannot be brought back in. Businesses may possess, acquire or import replica firearms only if they have a valid Firearms Business Licence that allows them to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose.

Airsoft guns with a muzzle velocity below 111.6 m/s (366 fps), and resembling with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, other than an antique firearm, are replica firearms and therefore are prohibited devices.

I believe these are the rules Claymore is referring to when he mentioned guns that cannot be upgraded to the Canadian standard being sold in local shops. Most TM pistols fit the above descriptions to a T esp because of the trademarks on them.

Sources
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/replica-replique-eng.htm

[Tjfast]

this conversation hurts my head.


366 plus up to 499fps (I think 499? ) is legal to import due to its classification status. to infinity and beyond that limit is up to you weather you take the risk.


that's as close as I can recall to what I read on ASC a few months back when importing into Canada was all the rage and whatnot...

cheers.

[Claymore]

Not to blow smoke up my arss but most of the conversation on ASC in regards to importation of Airsoft guns is a complete joke. I have been importing airsoft guns LEGALLY for more than four years. I have helped out a lot of you here in the airsoft community. It took a lot of time and energy to figure it out, and I'm not just going to spill my guts and let all the cats out of the bag .
Buy me a pint and I'll explain it all mate

Shoot you all later,

[Tjfast]

Not to blow smoke up my arss but most of the conversation on ASC in regards to importation of Airsoft guns is a complete joke. I have been importing airsoft guns LEGALLY for more than four years. I have helped out a lot of you here in the airsoft community. It took a lot of time and energy to figure it out, and I'm not just going to spill my guts and let all the cats out of the bag .
Buy me a pint and I'll explain it all mate

Shoot you all later,

well if that gosh darn build day would have not been canceled, I would have taken you up on more then just a pint!! Maybe sunday If I end up coming out....which I think I just may.